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Hannott Thanos
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Posted - 2012.08.09 17:39:00 -
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Michael Harari wrote:Reppyk wrote:Michael Harari wrote:Cormorant was actually quite good for lowsec dueling. 75mm rails, neut, ab, scram, web, MASB, field stab (or dcu). Yes I used it a lot, but the key part of this fit was to kite like a mofo @t 9km. Not possible without that 4th medslot.  Which is why I dont like the proposed changes - cormorant has its uses now, but with only 3 mids, it just becomes a worse thrasher
The 8/3/2 layout is by far the best. You can armor tank or shield tank, bring ewar or do whatever you want, and in Minmatars case, fit the biggest guns.
And don't even get me started on the Eris, lol |
Hannott Thanos
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Posted - 2012.08.15 21:40:00 -
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Why in the world does the Catalyst have so ****** PG?
Thrasher, 70 PG. 125mm Gatling Autocannon: 1MW 3tf
Catalyst, 60 PG. Electron Blaster: 4 MW 8tf
200mm Autocannon: 4MW 9tf wth?
How is this balance? |
Hannott Thanos
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Posted - 2012.08.17 10:37:00 -
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Recoil IV wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:Why in the world does the Catalyst have so ****** PG?
Thrasher, 70 PG. 125mm Gatling Autocannon: 1MW 3tf
Catalyst, 60 PG. Electron Blaster: 4 MW 8tf
200mm Autocannon: 4MW 9tf wth?
How is this balance? mate,next time think about what u say. light blaster pg usage does not EQUAL the pg usage of small autocannons. and your comparison is ******** : light neutron blaster II 9 pg usage / / / 200mm acc II 4 pg usage
I did not compare the 200mm to anything, I just showed that the biggest of the small autocannons are as hard/easy to fit as the smallest of the small hybrid guns. You don't see a problem with that? Combined with the fact that Thrasher has 10 PG more to play around with...
The way I see it, it's a problem with the powerfulness of the blasters in big numbers. CCP limits the PG on the catalyst so we can't fit a full rack of Neutron blasters together with tank, and sport a Thrasher sized tank with 700 dps.
What they need to do, is to remove the drone, drop down to 6 turret hardpoints, add 2 missile hardpoints and add 5 powergrid and 10 cpu.
Then we can fit 6 of the biggest guns and a decent tank without going crazy with dps, and if we fit ion blasters, we can add 2 rocket launchers as well.
TL;DR: The problem with the Catalyst is that it has 8 turret hardpoints |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.17 11:57:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:
TL;DR: The problem with the Catalyst is that it has 8 turret hardpoints
Maybe. But it also has a split range bonus which is "bad mmkay" Drop the fall off bonus for an optimal or maybe a MWD cap penalty bonus "a la Thorax" to let this thing MWD around a lot.
Nah, it works very well with Null IMO |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:19:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The reason with the low fitting output of the Catalyst is to prevent it from totally overpowering close range encounters with overwhelming damage. Internal tests and combat we ran showed that a Ion Catalyst setup is quite fine at the moment against the other race counterparts.
Could you comment on my idea that was making it 6 turret hardpoints on it?
That would reduce the damage enough so we could fit 6 neutrons and still have about the same dps, but with more range. Range is the problem. Unless you fit 125mm railguns on it, you are going to have a bad time. Simply because armor is too slow to catch up and apply your 1km+1km ranged dps. |
Hannott Thanos
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Posted - 2012.08.25 21:54:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:so yeah, the coercer goes from being exceptional at everything to sucking at everything. itll be outranged by any of the other destroyers and it itll be outtanked by all of them except the newer cormorant which was the 2nd best destroyer in the game, 1st being coercer. the new cormorant went from being amazing, to complete ****.
GG
What? |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.20 07:08:00 -
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After testing the "no-changes Catalyst", I stand by my previous statement. Add some 10-20 PG and 5 CPU and remove 2 turret hardpoints.
Edit: Oh, and screw the drone. The hassle to deploy it is not worth the dps it adds. |
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